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Unseen bride.

23 May
It is like inheritance. In Islam you cannot disinherit your children whether they are scoundrels or good.The people you mentioned think it was their family right and they didn’t have work for that. On the other hand common man and particularly immigrant who were promised an unseen bride before creation of Pakistan have to fight with inheritor.I hope you see the difference brother Sakey. Non owner got a bride whose nose was chopped off and face was defaced with acid.
 
 

Unseen bride.

23 May
It is like inheritance. In Islam you cannot disinherit your children whether they are scoundrels or good.The people you mentioned think it was their family right and they didn’t have work for that. On the other hand common man and particularly immigrant who were promised an unseen bride before creation of Pakistan have to fight with inheritor.I hope you see the difference brother Sakey. Non owner got a bride whose nose was chopped off and face was defaced with acid.
 
 

Illness and cure

21 May

You are right in most of your points. There are over 1000 honor killings,mutilation of face by chopping off the nose,throwing acid by member of Parliament and getting off. Jirga system has tribal culture where women of suspect party are raped by the complainers.This is reinforced by Feudals and illiterate clergy, In Parliament one who became education minister justified it as cultural norm. This the quality of our people and we expect our leaders to be better than general public . I would strongly recommend you to read Tahmina Durrani ‘s book ‘My Feudal Lord’. No question genetic does indeed play a part because we see this in all Muslim countries. We have brave idiots who become suicide bomber and we loose 5000 people every year without any war with in our borders.I think social progress through education will occur and if we also have periodic uninterrupted election and a loyal leader of opposition. Democracy sooner or latter purifies the society

Illness and cure

21 May

You are right in most of your points. There are over 1000 honor killings,mutilation of face by chopping off the nose,throwing acid by member of Parliament and getting off. Jirga system has tribal culture where women of suspect party are raped by the complainers.This is reinforced by Feudals and illiterate clergy, In Parliament one who became education minister justified it as cultural norm. This the quality of our people and we expect our leaders to be better than general public . I would strongly recommend you to read Tahmina Durrani ‘s book ‘My Feudal Lord’. No question genetic does indeed play a part because we see this in all Muslim countries. We have brave idiots who become suicide bomber and we loose 5000 people every year without any war with in our borders.I think social progress through education will occur and if we also have periodic uninterrupted election and a loyal leader of opposition. Democracy sooner or latter purifies the society

Which Islam

6 May

Thought Purification Qaseem,you are doing exactly what Rushdie did. Rusdie took liberty with the scripture to write a book and you are taking liberty to contradict the 10th commandment.You have a right to to do that and I will not give a Fatwa to kill you Confrontation,contradiction and criticism of religion is non productive.It becomes political where as it is spiritual. Islam is religion of peace as practiced by Dataganj,Chihti and Nizamuddin and not of Jihadies and suicide bombers.No body has a right to impose his version and interpretation over others.There is no clergy in Islam .Its a religion of personal responsibility and peace. At the end it should lead us to ethical life and peace of mind (nafs Mutmaina) If it does not attain that then according to me one is practicing wrong.

Satanic Verses

4 May
Salman Rushdie is the author of “The Satanic Verses” in which he called verses of Qur’an to be from Satan and not from Allah, maazAllah, and now ANP government wants to include his books as textbooks in universities.
 
 
 
 
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    • Akhtar Hussain RUSHDI= JAB TAK TO ZINDA HAI DUNYA KA HAR MUSALMAN GUNAH GAR HAI Q KE TO ZINDA HAI

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    • Imran Safi Memon he remain devil forever ..we should keep abuse him (LANAT HUJE MALAON TE)

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    • Thought Purification I think nothing of him. I tried to read Satanic verses but could not go beyond few pages.Midnight children his other book is excellent. I wish somebody will write about or in response to Satanic verses. I’ll love to see an intellectual response rather than emotional abuse.

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    • Qaseem Siddiqi 

      satanic verses already refuted. visit. www.mercyprophet.org ) The orientalists allege that the Prophet (Peace and
      Blessings be upon him) was worried about the enmity
      of the non-believers in Makkah. In such a state of
      mind one day went to Kaba where he recited to the
      gathering of believers and non-believers Surah al-
      Najm 53 which is said to have been revealed at that
      time.
      The allegation is that in the course of its recitation
      and when he uttered the verse 19-20 Do you see al
      Lat and al Uzza and the other third Manat? Satan
      threw in the couplet Those are the swans exalted;
      verily their intercession is to be expected.
      The Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) then
      completed the Sura and at the end of it went into
      prostration in accordance with the last verse. All
      those present there, the believers and non-believers
      also did so except an old Quraysh leader (Umayyah
      ibn Khalaf or Al-Walid ibn al Mughira or Abu
      Umayyah) who raised a handful of dust and touched
      it with his forehead saying that would suffice for him.
      The Quraysh leaders are said to have given out as
      reason for their prostration themselves, by saying
      that now that the Prophet had recognized the
      position of their goddesses as intercessors with Allah,
      there was in fact no point of quarrel with him.
      Afterwards, in the evening (some versions do not
      specify any time) Jibril came to the Prophet and
      asked him to recite the Surah, which he did, still
      reciting the satanic verses. Jibril protested, saying
      that those were not what had been revealed. At this,
      the Prophet became very sad and apprehensive of
      Allahs wrath. Thereupon two separate passages,
      17:73-75 and 22-52 were revealed in reassuring the
      Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the
      satanic verses were repealed. The Quraysh leaders
      became angry and renewed their enmity and
      opposition with increased vehemence. Meanwhile the
      news of non-believers prostration reached Abyssinia
      in the form of rumor of their compromise with the
      Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the
      Muslims returned to Makkah.
      REPLY
      The story is so manifestly absurd and untrue that it
      ought to have been rejected outright as such and not
      recorded by the chroniclers and traditionalists. But
      since some of them have recorded it has often been
      cited as ground for its genuineness, rather than the
      obviously discrediting features of the story itself.
      Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi correctly points out that
      those who have critically looked at the story have all
      rejected it as spurious on the grounds of its conflict
      with the clear testimony of the Quran, the rules
      governing the genuineness of traditions and the
      dictates of reason.
      The Quranic evidence against the genuineness of the
      story is of three kinds.
      There are a number of statements in the Quran that
      show that neither Satan nor anyone else could
      interfere in the process of coming of the revelation.
      Nor did the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon
      him) ever entertain any intention of making
      compromise with the unbelieving leaders, nor did he
      ever interpolate in the text of the revelation.
      The passages cited as having been revealed as a
      sequel to the incident and for reassuring the Prophet
      (Peace and Blessings be upon him) prove to the
      contrary, showing that he had not made even the
      slightest move towards making a compromise with
      the unbelieving leaders.
      The internal evidence of Sura al Najm (53), in
      connection with the revelation of which the story has
      been foisted, goes against its spirit and purpose.
      THE PASSAGES FROM THE QUR’AN THAT DIRECTLY
      BELIE THE STORY ARE AS FOLLOWS:
      If he (Messenger) were to invent any saying in our
      name, We should certainly have seized him by the
      right hand and We should then have surely cut off the
      artery of his heart”
      [Qur’aan 60:44-46]
      Say; It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it
      (the revelation). I follow naught but what is revealed
      unto me”
      [Qur’aan 10:15]
      No falsehood can approach it from the front, nor from
      the rear (i.e. neither directly nor indirectly). It is sent-
      down from Allah the All-Wise, the All-Praiseworthy.
      [Qur’aan 41:42]
      We indeed have sent down the recital (the Quran)
      and indeed are its Protectors (from any interference).
      [Qur’aan 15:9]
      In what way (We have revealed it), that We may
      make your heart firm thereby; and We have dictated it
      in stages.
      [Qur’aan 25:32]
      It is seen from the above that the Quran repeatedly
      assures that Allah has protected it against any
      possibility of being tampered with directly or
      indirectly, that it is not for the Prophet to change it or
      add to it anything. If he had done so, Allahs severe
      punishment would inevitably and irresistibly have
      befallen him. These clear and positive statements
      directly contradict the story, which says that the
      Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) of his
      own accord or being deceived by Satan introduced
      something into the text of revelation. Not only that.
      The alleged interpolation violated the fundamental
      teaching of the Quran monotheism (Tauhid) and thus
      constituted the offence of shirk which Allah warns
      elsewhere in the Quran the He shall under no
      circumstances forgive.
      The story is thus quite contrary to the specific
      statements of the Quran and also to the tenor and
      purport of its entire text. As such the story is totally
      unworthy or any credence. This is not simply from a
      Muslims point of view, but also from true historians
      point of view.
      The two passages of the Quran that are said to have
      been revealed as a sequel to the story are as follows:
      Indeed they were about to divert you from what We
      revealed to you, in order that you forge against Us
      something else, and in that case they would certainly
      have taken you as a friend. And had We not made
      you firm, you would almost have inclined towards
      them a little; and in that case we would have made
      you taste the double (punishment) in death; and then
      you would not have found for you as against Us any
      helper.
      [Qur’an 17:73-75]
      These verses were revealed 11 or 12 years after the
      call to Prophethood.
      Never did we send a Messenger nor a Prophet before
      you, but that when he formed an intention Satan
      threw something in his intention; but Allah cancels
      what Satan throws in and then makes His sign
      prevail. Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise”.
      [Qur’an 22:52]
      This verse was revealed during the 1st year of Hijra.
      A little careful look at them would at once show that
      their texts, far from supporting the story, do in fact
      contradict it.
      The first passage shows that it was the unbelievers
      who attempted to induce the Prophet to making a
      compromise with them, not that he ever wanted it.
      The passage further states that Allah made the
      Prophets heart firm against such attempts of the
      unbelievers. The emphasis here is on the intensity of
      the unbelievers attempts, and Allahs special favor
      upon the Prophet making him immune against such
      efforts and because of such special favor, the
      Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) did not
      incline towards the unbelievers even a little. Finally
      the above verse warns that, had the Prophet (Peace
      and Blessings be upon him) been guilty of slight
      inclination towards the unbelievers propoPeace and
      Blessings be upon hims, he would have been doubly
      punished by Allah.
      It is strange that the orientalists mention the above
      verses revealed about 8 or 9 years after the alleged
      incident as assurance from Allah, because during this
      period so many major events had taken place,
      including the Hijrah. 
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      Satanic verses 2 THE INTERNAL EVIDENCE OF SURA AL NAJM (53)
      The surah starts emphasizing that,
      He (the Prophet) does not speak out of his desire. It
      is naught but wahy (revelation) communicated to
      him. In verses 3-4. The Surah declares thatthe
      Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) has not
      gone astray, nor erred, nor does he speak out of his
      own desire, but what he gives out is only revelation
      communicated to him. It is impossible to think that
      the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
      would immediately add the alleged two verse within
      this sura itself, thus contradicting the very essence of
      the surah. Though there are over 15 version of the
      allegation, all the versions agree that the Prophet
      (Peace and Blessings be upon him) recited the whole
      of surah al Najm on this occasion and prostrated
      himself at the end of it.
      The alleged verses as follows:
      Those are swans exalted. Whose intercession is to be
      expected.
      These alleged two verses do not fit in any place in the
      Surah. If we simply insert them after verse 19 and 20
      they will read as follows:
      Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two
      idols of the pagan Arabs)”
      [v.19]
      And Manat (another idol othe pagan Arabs), the thir?
      [v.20]
      Those are swans exalted. Whose intercession is to be
      expected.
      [???]
      Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
      [v. 21]
      That indeed is a division most unfair
      [v.22]
      They are but names, which you have named, – you
      and your fathers- for which Allah has sent down no
      authority. They follow but a guess and that which
      they themselves desire, whereas there has surely
      come to the Guidance from their Lord.
      [v.23]
      Or shall man have what he wishes?
      [v.24]
      But to Allah belongs the last (hereafter) and the first
      (the world)
      [v.25]
      A simple glance shows that the alleged satanic
      verses shown in bold above do not fit in any place in
      the surah al-Najm. The whole text from verses 19 to
      the end of the surah has a unity and continuity on
      both theme and sequence. There is no giving-in on
      the question of intercession by anyone; no relaxation
      of the principle of individual and personal
      responsibility, no softening down of denunciation of
      the conduct of the unbelieving leaders and no room
      given to accommodating their attitudes.
      The following additional information should be noted
      on this insinuation.
      The story has come down in about a dozen varying
      versions and does not have a strong chain of
      narrators (isnad). It is technically regarded as
      MurPeace and Blessings be upon him i.e. its isnad
      does not go up beyond the second generation
      (tabiun) after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be
      upon him). One of the versions traces back to Abd
      Allah Ibn Abbas as eye-witness, who was born some
      five years after the alleged event was said to have
      taken place. Apart from this, all the persons in the
      isnad have names who are considered weak,
      unreliable or unknown.
      The report itself suffer from grave differences and
      disagreements in all the four essential respects,
      namely:
      The occasion of the incident;
      Nature of the Prophets alleged act;
      The wording of the alleged satanic verses- as many
      as 15 different texts;
      The effect or sequel of the alleged incident.
      There are reports that say, more significantly, that
      while the unbelievers heard the alleged satanic
      verses, the believers did not at all hear them. All the
      versions unanimously show that no objection or
      uneasiness was expressed by any of the believers at
      the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
      alleged utterance of the verses, nor to his alleged
      dropping of them subsequently. If such an unusual
      incident as the giving out of some compromising
      verses and their subsequent withdrawal had at all
      taken place, it would have been narrated by some of
      the many companions of the Prophet (Peace and
      Blessings be upon him).
      Abdallah Ibn Masud says that Surah al-Najm was the
      first surah, which the Prophet (Peace and Blessings
      be upon him) recited in front of a gathering of
      believers and non-believers at the Kaaba compound.
      When he finished it and went into prostration, all
      those who were present, believers and non-believers
      also prostrated themselves. It is an acknowledged
      fact that the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon
      him) and the Muslims could not publicly and in a
      body perform prayer or recite the Quran at the Kaaba
      before the conversion of Umar (ra), and the revelation
      of Sura al-Najm took place after his conversion.
      Conversion of Umar (ra) was a great gain to Islam.
      The Quran has the stunning effect on every non-
      believing Quraish who heard it and their leaders such
      as Utbah ibn Rabiah themselves had confessed to
      this. As such, the non-believers without realizing
      what they were doing would have gone to prostration
      as commanded in the last verse of the surah, together
      with the Muslims. Since the Quraish leaders
      prostrated themselves or made a show of prostration,
      they must have been pressed by their followers to
      explain their act. When they realized what they have
      done, they would have tried to find a justification for
      their unintentional act of abiding by the Quranic
      command.
      The other fact that needs emphasizing in this
      connection is that the text of the so-called satanic
      verses was no new composition made on the
      occasion. It was an old couplet that the Quraish
      pagans used to recite in praise of their goddess while
      circumambulating the Kaaba. It is also to be
      remembered that the unbelievers used to create noise
      and disturbances whenever the Prophet (Peace and
      Blessings be upon him) or Muslims recited the Quran
      publicly. Therefore, it is very likely that when the
      Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) recited
      the surah and mentioned al-Lat and al-Uzza in the
      course of his recitation and in a denunciatory strain,
      some of the Quraish unbelievers instantly interrupted
      and protested by shouting out the couplets.
      Significantly enough, some versions of the story
      clearly state that the satanic verses were uttered not
      by the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
      but by Satan or some unbelievers, and they
      specifically state that the Muslims did not hear it.
      Skirts of Makkah. He used to go and with him do his
      work. The Quran dismissed the charge by pointing
      out that the man they pointed to spoke a foreign
      tongue and the Quran was pure Arabic.We know
      indeed that they say, It is a man that teaches him.
      But they had neither church nor scripture. In fact the
      critics of his time never thought of accusing him to
      have learned form the Hanifs, the Christians or the
      Jews but they accused him of learning it from a
      Roman black-smith in the out skirts of Makkah. He
      used to go and with him do his work. The Quran
      dismissed the charge by pointing out that the man
      they pointed to spoke a foreign tongue and the Quran
      was pure Arabic. We know indeed that they say, It is
      a man that teaches him. 
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    • Thought Purification thank you for your dissertation which you appear to have done painfully and honestly. I will be studying this in depth from Muslim and non Muslim point of view and try to understand the frame of mind of Mr. Rushdi. It appears to me he has done a favor to us Muslim by provoking the thought process and thus help us to understand our faith in depth. Unfortunately Khomeni changed the direction of the debate and thus defamed Islam.If we take the logic out from our conversation we will always remain primitive and uneducated.

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    Salman Rushdie is the author of “The Satanic Verses” in which he called verses of Qur’an to be from Satan and not from Allah, maazAllah, and now ANP government wants to include his books as textbooks in universities.
     
     
     
     
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      • Akhtar Hussain RUSHDI= JAB TAK TO ZINDA HAI DUNYA KA HAR MUSALMAN GUNAH GAR HAI Q KE TO ZINDA HAI

        Yesterday at 12:40am · Like ·  2
      • Imran Safi Memon he remain devil forever ..we should keep abuse him (LANAT HUJE MALAON TE)

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      • Thought Purification Akhtar & Imran: have you read Satanic Verses.

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      • Imran Safi Memon its my thoght purification that he is devil himself and thats enough cause for me to abuse(Lanat) on him because he wrote these … I don’t kn0w about you what u think..

        12 hours ago · Like
      • Thought Purification I think nothing of him. I tried to read Satanic verses but could not go beyond few pages.Midnight children his other book is excellent. I wish somebody will write about or in response to Satanic verses. I’ll love to see an intellectual response rather than emotional abuse.

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        satanic verses already refuted. visit. www.mercyprophet.org ) The orientalists allege that the Prophet (Peace and
        Blessings be upon him) was worried about the enmity
        of the non-believers in Makkah. In such a state of
        mind one day went to Kaba where he recited to the
        gathering of believers and non-believers Surah al-
        Najm 53 which is said to have been revealed at that
        time.
        The allegation is that in the course of its recitation
        and when he uttered the verse 19-20 Do you see al
        Lat and al Uzza and the other third Manat? Satan
        threw in the couplet Those are the swans exalted;
        verily their intercession is to be expected.
        The Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) then
        completed the Sura and at the end of it went into
        prostration in accordance with the last verse. All
        those present there, the believers and non-believers
        also did so except an old Quraysh leader (Umayyah
        ibn Khalaf or Al-Walid ibn al Mughira or Abu
        Umayyah) who raised a handful of dust and touched
        it with his forehead saying that would suffice for him.
        The Quraysh leaders are said to have given out as
        reason for their prostration themselves, by saying
        that now that the Prophet had recognized the
        position of their goddesses as intercessors with Allah,
        there was in fact no point of quarrel with him.
        Afterwards, in the evening (some versions do not
        specify any time) Jibril came to the Prophet and
        asked him to recite the Surah, which he did, still
        reciting the satanic verses. Jibril protested, saying
        that those were not what had been revealed. At this,
        the Prophet became very sad and apprehensive of
        Allahs wrath. Thereupon two separate passages,
        17:73-75 and 22-52 were revealed in reassuring the
        Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the
        satanic verses were repealed. The Quraysh leaders
        became angry and renewed their enmity and
        opposition with increased vehemence. Meanwhile the
        news of non-believers prostration reached Abyssinia
        in the form of rumor of their compromise with the
        Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the
        Muslims returned to Makkah.
        REPLY
        The story is so manifestly absurd and untrue that it
        ought to have been rejected outright as such and not
        recorded by the chroniclers and traditionalists. But
        since some of them have recorded it has often been
        cited as ground for its genuineness, rather than the
        obviously discrediting features of the story itself.
        Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi correctly points out that
        those who have critically looked at the story have all
        rejected it as spurious on the grounds of its conflict
        with the clear testimony of the Quran, the rules
        governing the genuineness of traditions and the
        dictates of reason.
        The Quranic evidence against the genuineness of the
        story is of three kinds.
        There are a number of statements in the Quran that
        show that neither Satan nor anyone else could
        interfere in the process of coming of the revelation.
        Nor did the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon
        him) ever entertain any intention of making
        compromise with the unbelieving leaders, nor did he
        ever interpolate in the text of the revelation.
        The passages cited as having been revealed as a
        sequel to the incident and for reassuring the Prophet
        (Peace and Blessings be upon him) prove to the
        contrary, showing that he had not made even the
        slightest move towards making a compromise with
        the unbelieving leaders.
        The internal evidence of Sura al Najm (53), in
        connection with the revelation of which the story has
        been foisted, goes against its spirit and purpose.
        THE PASSAGES FROM THE QUR’AN THAT DIRECTLY
        BELIE THE STORY ARE AS FOLLOWS:
        If he (Messenger) were to invent any saying in our
        name, We should certainly have seized him by the
        right hand and We should then have surely cut off the
        artery of his heart”
        [Qur’aan 60:44-46]
        Say; It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it
        (the revelation). I follow naught but what is revealed
        unto me”
        [Qur’aan 10:15]
        No falsehood can approach it from the front, nor from
        the rear (i.e. neither directly nor indirectly). It is sent-
        down from Allah the All-Wise, the All-Praiseworthy.
        [Qur’aan 41:42]
        We indeed have sent down the recital (the Quran)
        and indeed are its Protectors (from any interference).
        [Qur’aan 15:9]
        In what way (We have revealed it), that We may
        make your heart firm thereby; and We have dictated it
        in stages.
        [Qur’aan 25:32]
        It is seen from the above that the Quran repeatedly
        assures that Allah has protected it against any
        possibility of being tampered with directly or
        indirectly, that it is not for the Prophet to change it or
        add to it anything. If he had done so, Allahs severe
        punishment would inevitably and irresistibly have
        befallen him. These clear and positive statements
        directly contradict the story, which says that the
        Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) of his
        own accord or being deceived by Satan introduced
        something into the text of revelation. Not only that.
        The alleged interpolation violated the fundamental
        teaching of the Quran monotheism (Tauhid) and thus
        constituted the offence of shirk which Allah warns
        elsewhere in the Quran the He shall under no
        circumstances forgive.
        The story is thus quite contrary to the specific
        statements of the Quran and also to the tenor and
        purport of its entire text. As such the story is totally
        unworthy or any credence. This is not simply from a
        Muslims point of view, but also from true historians
        point of view.
        The two passages of the Quran that are said to have
        been revealed as a sequel to the story are as follows:
        Indeed they were about to divert you from what We
        revealed to you, in order that you forge against Us
        something else, and in that case they would certainly
        have taken you as a friend. And had We not made
        you firm, you would almost have inclined towards
        them a little; and in that case we would have made
        you taste the double (punishment) in death; and then
        you would not have found for you as against Us any
        helper.
        [Qur’an 17:73-75]
        These verses were revealed 11 or 12 years after the
        call to Prophethood.
        Never did we send a Messenger nor a Prophet before
        you, but that when he formed an intention Satan
        threw something in his intention; but Allah cancels
        what Satan throws in and then makes His sign
        prevail. Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise”.
        [Qur’an 22:52]
        This verse was revealed during the 1st year of Hijra.
        A little careful look at them would at once show that
        their texts, far from supporting the story, do in fact
        contradict it.
        The first passage shows that it was the unbelievers
        who attempted to induce the Prophet to making a
        compromise with them, not that he ever wanted it.
        The passage further states that Allah made the
        Prophets heart firm against such attempts of the
        unbelievers. The emphasis here is on the intensity of
        the unbelievers attempts, and Allahs special favor
        upon the Prophet making him immune against such
        efforts and because of such special favor, the
        Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) did not
        incline towards the unbelievers even a little. Finally
        the above verse warns that, had the Prophet (Peace
        and Blessings be upon him) been guilty of slight
        inclination towards the unbelievers propoPeace and
        Blessings be upon hims, he would have been doubly
        punished by Allah.
        It is strange that the orientalists mention the above
        verses revealed about 8 or 9 years after the alleged
        incident as assurance from Allah, because during this
        period so many major events had taken place,
        including the Hijrah. 
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        Satanic verses 2 THE INTERNAL EVIDENCE OF SURA AL NAJM (53)
        The surah starts emphasizing that,
        He (the Prophet) does not speak out of his desire. It
        is naught but wahy (revelation) communicated to
        him. In verses 3-4. The Surah declares thatthe
        Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) has not
        gone astray, nor erred, nor does he speak out of his
        own desire, but what he gives out is only revelation
        communicated to him. It is impossible to think that
        the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
        would immediately add the alleged two verse within
        this sura itself, thus contradicting the very essence of
        the surah. Though there are over 15 version of the
        allegation, all the versions agree that the Prophet
        (Peace and Blessings be upon him) recited the whole
        of surah al Najm on this occasion and prostrated
        himself at the end of it.
        The alleged verses as follows:
        Those are swans exalted. Whose intercession is to be
        expected.
        These alleged two verses do not fit in any place in the
        Surah. If we simply insert them after verse 19 and 20
        they will read as follows:
        Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two
        idols of the pagan Arabs)”
        [v.19]
        And Manat (another idol othe pagan Arabs), the thir?
        [v.20]
        Those are swans exalted. Whose intercession is to be
        expected.
        [???]
        Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
        [v. 21]
        That indeed is a division most unfair
        [v.22]
        They are but names, which you have named, – you
        and your fathers- for which Allah has sent down no
        authority. They follow but a guess and that which
        they themselves desire, whereas there has surely
        come to the Guidance from their Lord.
        [v.23]
        Or shall man have what he wishes?
        [v.24]
        But to Allah belongs the last (hereafter) and the first
        (the world)
        [v.25]
        A simple glance shows that the alleged satanic
        verses shown in bold above do not fit in any place in
        the surah al-Najm. The whole text from verses 19 to
        the end of the surah has a unity and continuity on
        both theme and sequence. There is no giving-in on
        the question of intercession by anyone; no relaxation
        of the principle of individual and personal
        responsibility, no softening down of denunciation of
        the conduct of the unbelieving leaders and no room
        given to accommodating their attitudes.
        The following additional information should be noted
        on this insinuation.
        The story has come down in about a dozen varying
        versions and does not have a strong chain of
        narrators (isnad). It is technically regarded as
        MurPeace and Blessings be upon him i.e. its isnad
        does not go up beyond the second generation
        (tabiun) after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be
        upon him). One of the versions traces back to Abd
        Allah Ibn Abbas as eye-witness, who was born some
        five years after the alleged event was said to have
        taken place. Apart from this, all the persons in the
        isnad have names who are considered weak,
        unreliable or unknown.
        The report itself suffer from grave differences and
        disagreements in all the four essential respects,
        namely:
        The occasion of the incident;
        Nature of the Prophets alleged act;
        The wording of the alleged satanic verses- as many
        as 15 different texts;
        The effect or sequel of the alleged incident.
        There are reports that say, more significantly, that
        while the unbelievers heard the alleged satanic
        verses, the believers did not at all hear them. All the
        versions unanimously show that no objection or
        uneasiness was expressed by any of the believers at
        the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
        alleged utterance of the verses, nor to his alleged
        dropping of them subsequently. If such an unusual
        incident as the giving out of some compromising
        verses and their subsequent withdrawal had at all
        taken place, it would have been narrated by some of
        the many companions of the Prophet (Peace and
        Blessings be upon him).
        Abdallah Ibn Masud says that Surah al-Najm was the
        first surah, which the Prophet (Peace and Blessings
        be upon him) recited in front of a gathering of
        believers and non-believers at the Kaaba compound.
        When he finished it and went into prostration, all
        those who were present, believers and non-believers
        also prostrated themselves. It is an acknowledged
        fact that the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon
        him) and the Muslims could not publicly and in a
        body perform prayer or recite the Quran at the Kaaba
        before the conversion of Umar (ra), and the revelation
        of Sura al-Najm took place after his conversion.
        Conversion of Umar (ra) was a great gain to Islam.
        The Quran has the stunning effect on every non-
        believing Quraish who heard it and their leaders such
        as Utbah ibn Rabiah themselves had confessed to
        this. As such, the non-believers without realizing
        what they were doing would have gone to prostration
        as commanded in the last verse of the surah, together
        with the Muslims. Since the Quraish leaders
        prostrated themselves or made a show of prostration,
        they must have been pressed by their followers to
        explain their act. When they realized what they have
        done, they would have tried to find a justification for
        their unintentional act of abiding by the Quranic
        command.
        The other fact that needs emphasizing in this
        connection is that the text of the so-called satanic
        verses was no new composition made on the
        occasion. It was an old couplet that the Quraish
        pagans used to recite in praise of their goddess while
        circumambulating the Kaaba. It is also to be
        remembered that the unbelievers used to create noise
        and disturbances whenever the Prophet (Peace and
        Blessings be upon him) or Muslims recited the Quran
        publicly. Therefore, it is very likely that when the
        Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) recited
        the surah and mentioned al-Lat and al-Uzza in the
        course of his recitation and in a denunciatory strain,
        some of the Quraish unbelievers instantly interrupted
        and protested by shouting out the couplets.
        Significantly enough, some versions of the story
        clearly state that the satanic verses were uttered not
        by the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
        but by Satan or some unbelievers, and they
        specifically state that the Muslims did not hear it.
        Skirts of Makkah. He used to go and with him do his
        work. The Quran dismissed the charge by pointing
        out that the man they pointed to spoke a foreign
        tongue and the Quran was pure Arabic.We know
        indeed that they say, It is a man that teaches him.
        But they had neither church nor scripture. In fact the
        critics of his time never thought of accusing him to
        have learned form the Hanifs, the Christians or the
        Jews but they accused him of learning it from a
        Roman black-smith in the out skirts of Makkah. He
        used to go and with him do his work. The Quran
        dismissed the charge by pointing out that the man
        they pointed to spoke a foreign tongue and the Quran
        was pure Arabic. We know indeed that they say, It is
        a man that teaches him. 
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      • Thought Purification thank you for your dissertation which you appear to have done painfully and honestly. I will be studying this in depth from Muslim and non Muslim point of view and try to understand the frame of mind of Mr. Rushdi. It appears to me he has done a favor to us Muslim by provoking the thought process and thus help us to understand our faith in depth. Unfortunately Khomeni changed the direction of the debate and thus defamed Islam.If we take the logic out from our conversation we will always remain primitive and uneducated.

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      Salman Rushdie is the author of “The Satanic Verses” in which he called verses of Qur’an to be from Satan and not from Allah, maazAllah, and now ANP government wants to include his books as textbooks in universities.
       
       
       
       
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        • Akhtar Hussain RUSHDI= JAB TAK TO ZINDA HAI DUNYA KA HAR MUSALMAN GUNAH GAR HAI Q KE TO ZINDA HAI

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        • Imran Safi Memon he remain devil forever ..we should keep abuse him (LANAT HUJE MALAON TE)

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        • Thought Purification Akhtar & Imran: have you read Satanic Verses.

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        • Imran Safi Memon its my thoght purification that he is devil himself and thats enough cause for me to abuse(Lanat) on him because he wrote these … I don’t kn0w about you what u think..

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        • Thought Purification I think nothing of him. I tried to read Satanic verses but could not go beyond few pages.Midnight children his other book is excellent. I wish somebody will write about or in response to Satanic verses. I’ll love to see an intellectual response rather than emotional abuse.

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          satanic verses already refuted. visit. www.mercyprophet.org ) The orientalists allege that the Prophet (Peace and
          Blessings be upon him) was worried about the enmity
          of the non-believers in Makkah. In such a state of
          mind one day went to Kaba where he recited to the
          gathering of believers and non-believers Surah al-
          Najm 53 which is said to have been revealed at that
          time.
          The allegation is that in the course of its recitation
          and when he uttered the verse 19-20 Do you see al
          Lat and al Uzza and the other third Manat? Satan
          threw in the couplet Those are the swans exalted;
          verily their intercession is to be expected.
          The Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) then
          completed the Sura and at the end of it went into
          prostration in accordance with the last verse. All
          those present there, the believers and non-believers
          also did so except an old Quraysh leader (Umayyah
          ibn Khalaf or Al-Walid ibn al Mughira or Abu
          Umayyah) who raised a handful of dust and touched
          it with his forehead saying that would suffice for him.
          The Quraysh leaders are said to have given out as
          reason for their prostration themselves, by saying
          that now that the Prophet had recognized the
          position of their goddesses as intercessors with Allah,
          there was in fact no point of quarrel with him.
          Afterwards, in the evening (some versions do not
          specify any time) Jibril came to the Prophet and
          asked him to recite the Surah, which he did, still
          reciting the satanic verses. Jibril protested, saying
          that those were not what had been revealed. At this,
          the Prophet became very sad and apprehensive of
          Allahs wrath. Thereupon two separate passages,
          17:73-75 and 22-52 were revealed in reassuring the
          Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the
          satanic verses were repealed. The Quraysh leaders
          became angry and renewed their enmity and
          opposition with increased vehemence. Meanwhile the
          news of non-believers prostration reached Abyssinia
          in the form of rumor of their compromise with the
          Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) and the
          Muslims returned to Makkah.
          REPLY
          The story is so manifestly absurd and untrue that it
          ought to have been rejected outright as such and not
          recorded by the chroniclers and traditionalists. But
          since some of them have recorded it has often been
          cited as ground for its genuineness, rather than the
          obviously discrediting features of the story itself.
          Imam Fakhr al-Din al-Razi correctly points out that
          those who have critically looked at the story have all
          rejected it as spurious on the grounds of its conflict
          with the clear testimony of the Quran, the rules
          governing the genuineness of traditions and the
          dictates of reason.
          The Quranic evidence against the genuineness of the
          story is of three kinds.
          There are a number of statements in the Quran that
          show that neither Satan nor anyone else could
          interfere in the process of coming of the revelation.
          Nor did the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon
          him) ever entertain any intention of making
          compromise with the unbelieving leaders, nor did he
          ever interpolate in the text of the revelation.
          The passages cited as having been revealed as a
          sequel to the incident and for reassuring the Prophet
          (Peace and Blessings be upon him) prove to the
          contrary, showing that he had not made even the
          slightest move towards making a compromise with
          the unbelieving leaders.
          The internal evidence of Sura al Najm (53), in
          connection with the revelation of which the story has
          been foisted, goes against its spirit and purpose.
          THE PASSAGES FROM THE QUR’AN THAT DIRECTLY
          BELIE THE STORY ARE AS FOLLOWS:
          If he (Messenger) were to invent any saying in our
          name, We should certainly have seized him by the
          right hand and We should then have surely cut off the
          artery of his heart”
          [Qur’aan 60:44-46]
          Say; It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it
          (the revelation). I follow naught but what is revealed
          unto me”
          [Qur’aan 10:15]
          No falsehood can approach it from the front, nor from
          the rear (i.e. neither directly nor indirectly). It is sent-
          down from Allah the All-Wise, the All-Praiseworthy.
          [Qur’aan 41:42]
          We indeed have sent down the recital (the Quran)
          and indeed are its Protectors (from any interference).
          [Qur’aan 15:9]
          In what way (We have revealed it), that We may
          make your heart firm thereby; and We have dictated it
          in stages.
          [Qur’aan 25:32]
          It is seen from the above that the Quran repeatedly
          assures that Allah has protected it against any
          possibility of being tampered with directly or
          indirectly, that it is not for the Prophet to change it or
          add to it anything. If he had done so, Allahs severe
          punishment would inevitably and irresistibly have
          befallen him. These clear and positive statements
          directly contradict the story, which says that the
          Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) of his
          own accord or being deceived by Satan introduced
          something into the text of revelation. Not only that.
          The alleged interpolation violated the fundamental
          teaching of the Quran monotheism (Tauhid) and thus
          constituted the offence of shirk which Allah warns
          elsewhere in the Quran the He shall under no
          circumstances forgive.
          The story is thus quite contrary to the specific
          statements of the Quran and also to the tenor and
          purport of its entire text. As such the story is totally
          unworthy or any credence. This is not simply from a
          Muslims point of view, but also from true historians
          point of view.
          The two passages of the Quran that are said to have
          been revealed as a sequel to the story are as follows:
          Indeed they were about to divert you from what We
          revealed to you, in order that you forge against Us
          something else, and in that case they would certainly
          have taken you as a friend. And had We not made
          you firm, you would almost have inclined towards
          them a little; and in that case we would have made
          you taste the double (punishment) in death; and then
          you would not have found for you as against Us any
          helper.
          [Qur’an 17:73-75]
          These verses were revealed 11 or 12 years after the
          call to Prophethood.
          Never did we send a Messenger nor a Prophet before
          you, but that when he formed an intention Satan
          threw something in his intention; but Allah cancels
          what Satan throws in and then makes His sign
          prevail. Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise”.
          [Qur’an 22:52]
          This verse was revealed during the 1st year of Hijra.
          A little careful look at them would at once show that
          their texts, far from supporting the story, do in fact
          contradict it.
          The first passage shows that it was the unbelievers
          who attempted to induce the Prophet to making a
          compromise with them, not that he ever wanted it.
          The passage further states that Allah made the
          Prophets heart firm against such attempts of the
          unbelievers. The emphasis here is on the intensity of
          the unbelievers attempts, and Allahs special favor
          upon the Prophet making him immune against such
          efforts and because of such special favor, the
          Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) did not
          incline towards the unbelievers even a little. Finally
          the above verse warns that, had the Prophet (Peace
          and Blessings be upon him) been guilty of slight
          inclination towards the unbelievers propoPeace and
          Blessings be upon hims, he would have been doubly
          punished by Allah.
          It is strange that the orientalists mention the above
          verses revealed about 8 or 9 years after the alleged
          incident as assurance from Allah, because during this
          period so many major events had taken place,
          including the Hijrah. 
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          Satanic verses 2 THE INTERNAL EVIDENCE OF SURA AL NAJM (53)
          The surah starts emphasizing that,
          He (the Prophet) does not speak out of his desire. It
          is naught but wahy (revelation) communicated to
          him. In verses 3-4. The Surah declares thatthe
          Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) has not
          gone astray, nor erred, nor does he speak out of his
          own desire, but what he gives out is only revelation
          communicated to him. It is impossible to think that
          the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
          would immediately add the alleged two verse within
          this sura itself, thus contradicting the very essence of
          the surah. Though there are over 15 version of the
          allegation, all the versions agree that the Prophet
          (Peace and Blessings be upon him) recited the whole
          of surah al Najm on this occasion and prostrated
          himself at the end of it.
          The alleged verses as follows:
          Those are swans exalted. Whose intercession is to be
          expected.
          These alleged two verses do not fit in any place in the
          Surah. If we simply insert them after verse 19 and 20
          they will read as follows:
          Have you then considered Al-Lat and Al-Uzza (two
          idols of the pagan Arabs)”
          [v.19]
          And Manat (another idol othe pagan Arabs), the thir?
          [v.20]
          Those are swans exalted. Whose intercession is to be
          expected.
          [???]
          Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
          [v. 21]
          That indeed is a division most unfair
          [v.22]
          They are but names, which you have named, – you
          and your fathers- for which Allah has sent down no
          authority. They follow but a guess and that which
          they themselves desire, whereas there has surely
          come to the Guidance from their Lord.
          [v.23]
          Or shall man have what he wishes?
          [v.24]
          But to Allah belongs the last (hereafter) and the first
          (the world)
          [v.25]
          A simple glance shows that the alleged satanic
          verses shown in bold above do not fit in any place in
          the surah al-Najm. The whole text from verses 19 to
          the end of the surah has a unity and continuity on
          both theme and sequence. There is no giving-in on
          the question of intercession by anyone; no relaxation
          of the principle of individual and personal
          responsibility, no softening down of denunciation of
          the conduct of the unbelieving leaders and no room
          given to accommodating their attitudes.
          The following additional information should be noted
          on this insinuation.
          The story has come down in about a dozen varying
          versions and does not have a strong chain of
          narrators (isnad). It is technically regarded as
          MurPeace and Blessings be upon him i.e. its isnad
          does not go up beyond the second generation
          (tabiun) after the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be
          upon him). One of the versions traces back to Abd
          Allah Ibn Abbas as eye-witness, who was born some
          five years after the alleged event was said to have
          taken place. Apart from this, all the persons in the
          isnad have names who are considered weak,
          unreliable or unknown.
          The report itself suffer from grave differences and
          disagreements in all the four essential respects,
          namely:
          The occasion of the incident;
          Nature of the Prophets alleged act;
          The wording of the alleged satanic verses- as many
          as 15 different texts;
          The effect or sequel of the alleged incident.
          There are reports that say, more significantly, that
          while the unbelievers heard the alleged satanic
          verses, the believers did not at all hear them. All the
          versions unanimously show that no objection or
          uneasiness was expressed by any of the believers at
          the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
          alleged utterance of the verses, nor to his alleged
          dropping of them subsequently. If such an unusual
          incident as the giving out of some compromising
          verses and their subsequent withdrawal had at all
          taken place, it would have been narrated by some of
          the many companions of the Prophet (Peace and
          Blessings be upon him).
          Abdallah Ibn Masud says that Surah al-Najm was the
          first surah, which the Prophet (Peace and Blessings
          be upon him) recited in front of a gathering of
          believers and non-believers at the Kaaba compound.
          When he finished it and went into prostration, all
          those who were present, believers and non-believers
          also prostrated themselves. It is an acknowledged
          fact that the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon
          him) and the Muslims could not publicly and in a
          body perform prayer or recite the Quran at the Kaaba
          before the conversion of Umar (ra), and the revelation
          of Sura al-Najm took place after his conversion.
          Conversion of Umar (ra) was a great gain to Islam.
          The Quran has the stunning effect on every non-
          believing Quraish who heard it and their leaders such
          as Utbah ibn Rabiah themselves had confessed to
          this. As such, the non-believers without realizing
          what they were doing would have gone to prostration
          as commanded in the last verse of the surah, together
          with the Muslims. Since the Quraish leaders
          prostrated themselves or made a show of prostration,
          they must have been pressed by their followers to
          explain their act. When they realized what they have
          done, they would have tried to find a justification for
          their unintentional act of abiding by the Quranic
          command.
          The other fact that needs emphasizing in this
          connection is that the text of the so-called satanic
          verses was no new composition made on the
          occasion. It was an old couplet that the Quraish
          pagans used to recite in praise of their goddess while
          circumambulating the Kaaba. It is also to be
          remembered that the unbelievers used to create noise
          and disturbances whenever the Prophet (Peace and
          Blessings be upon him) or Muslims recited the Quran
          publicly. Therefore, it is very likely that when the
          Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him) recited
          the surah and mentioned al-Lat and al-Uzza in the
          course of his recitation and in a denunciatory strain,
          some of the Quraish unbelievers instantly interrupted
          and protested by shouting out the couplets.
          Significantly enough, some versions of the story
          clearly state that the satanic verses were uttered not
          by the Prophet (Peace and Blessings be upon him)
          but by Satan or some unbelievers, and they
          specifically state that the Muslims did not hear it.
          Skirts of Makkah. He used to go and with him do his
          work. The Quran dismissed the charge by pointing
          out that the man they pointed to spoke a foreign
          tongue and the Quran was pure Arabic.We know
          indeed that they say, It is a man that teaches him.
          But they had neither church nor scripture. In fact the
          critics of his time never thought of accusing him to
          have learned form the Hanifs, the Christians or the
          Jews but they accused him of learning it from a
          Roman black-smith in the out skirts of Makkah. He
          used to go and with him do his work. The Quran
          dismissed the charge by pointing out that the man
          they pointed to spoke a foreign tongue and the Quran
          was pure Arabic. We know indeed that they say, It is
          a man that teaches him. 
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        • Thought Purification thank you for your dissertation which you appear to have done painfully and honestly. I will be studying this in depth from Muslim and non Muslim point of view and try to understand the frame of mind of Mr. Rushdi. It appears to me he has done a favor to us Muslim by provoking the thought process and thus help us to understand our faith in depth. Unfortunately Khomeni changed the direction of the debate and thus defamed Islam.If we take the logic out from our conversation we will always remain primitive and uneducated.

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